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	<title>JD Journal &#187; reasonable person test</title>
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		<title>Man Fights Forced Electroshock; Would Rather Have Full Bottle In Front of Him</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 15 Dec 2008 23:11:11 +0000</pubDate>
		<dc:creator>Erik Even</dc:creator>
				<category><![CDATA[Legal News]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[bi-polar]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[electro-convulsive therapy]]></category>
		<category><![CDATA[Eric Janus]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[Ray Sandford]]></category>
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		<category><![CDATA[William Mitchell College of Law]]></category>

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		<description><![CDATA[From Minnesota Public Radio: A Minnesota man undergoing electro-convulsive therapy goes before a judge in St. Paul on Tuesday to try to stop the court-ordered procedure. Ray Sandford says he&#8217;s losing his memory after having more than 30 treatments so far. His doctors have argued that the procedure is necessary to treat Sandford&#8217;s psychotic episodes. [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>From <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/12/15/forced_electroconvulsive_therapy/" target="_blank">Minnesota Public Radio</a>:</p>
<blockquote><p>A Minnesota man undergoing electro-convulsive therapy goes before a judge in St. Paul on Tuesday to try to stop the court-ordered procedure. Ray Sandford says he&#8217;s losing his memory after having more than 30 treatments so far. His doctors have argued that the procedure is necessary to treat Sandford&#8217;s psychotic episodes.</p>
<p>The courts have determined that Ray isn&#8217;t competent to make decisions regarding his own welfare&#8230;.</p>
<p>[His] condition [is] described in court records as schizo-affective disorder with bipolar tendencies.</p>
<p>There are no good numbers on how many people receive forced ECT in the U.S. It&#8217;s up to states to track these cases and most, like Minnesota, do not.</p></blockquote>
<p>The MPR story includes the opinions of multiple lawyers and advocates, on the topic of forced medical treatment.</p>
<blockquote><p>&#8220;Sometimes people say you should use the perspective of a reasonable person,&#8221; said [Dean of <a href="http://www.wmitchell.edu/" target="_blank">William Mitchell College of Law</a> Eric] Janus. &#8220;And it&#8217;s assumed that a reasonable person wants to protect him or herself against a relapse of a terrible mental illness.&#8221;</p>
<p>Still the &#8220;reasonable person&#8221; test doesn&#8217;t make sense to everyone, including even himself, Janus says.</p>
<p>Janus says even greater weight should be given to what the patient wants &#8212; even if it appears their illness might be clouding their judgment. Competent or not, not everyone wants to be treated when they&#8217;re sick, he says.</p>
<p>&#8220;That&#8217;s really what the court should be asking,&#8221; said Janus. &#8220;What are this person&#8217;s values? What does he want? What kind of life does he want to live? And it should be trying to make the decision in his behalf.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>Link to <a href="http://minnesota.publicradio.org/display/web/2008/12/15/forced_electroconvulsive_therapy/" target="_blank">Minnesota Public Radio</a>.</p>
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